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WAIM #141: Bob Andrews & Jayne Ballantyne of Undertow Music
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WAIM #141: Bob Andrews & Jayne Ballantyne of Undertow Music

Today, Bob and Jayne from Undertow Shows stop by the Sheddio to chronicle a thirty year management career built upon the intense power of house shows, and an amazing community of artists & hosts.

Bob Andrews fell ass backwards into becoming the touring manager for Uncle Tupelo and Wilco. He’d been working at a drum shop in Nashville and was good friends with Ken Coomer, Uncle Tupelo’s drummer. After a brief meeting with the band, Bob was hired. He went on to manage Tupelo, and eventually Wilco through the initial tours for their 1996 opus, Being There. Undertow began the same year that Andrews walked away from the Wilco gig, as he began to take on management duties for clients like David Bazan of Pedro The Lion.

Over the course of the intervening thirty years, Bob and his ever expanding roster of mid-level artists have been building careers amidst an ever-changing and increasingly difficult musical landscape. By leveraging the intimate power of house concerts, Andrews has also helped to foster a burgeoning underground network of alternative venues.

More than a decade ago, Jayne Ballantyne came on board as an intern. Coming from a theater background, Jayne combined her navigational skills with a penchant for logistics and a deep love of music to become a natural at the dark arts of artist management and booking. Today she counts herself as a partner in Undertow with Bob.

Artists That Have Worked With Undertow

Anders Parker

Bad Bad Hats

Bottle Rockets

Califone

Cave Singers

Chris Brokaw

Chris Staples

Clap Your Hands Say Yeah

Craig Finn (The Hold Steady)

Damien Jurado

Danielle Durack

David Bazan

David Dondero

Diane Cristiansen

Earlimart

Eef Barzelay (Clem Snide)

Emma Swift

Eric Bachmann (Archers of Loaf)

Flock of Dimes

Forrest Kline (HELLOGOODBYE)

Geoff Farina

Jason Narducy

Jenn Champion

Jeremy Enigk (Sunny Day Real Estate)

Jesse Sykes & The Sweet Hereafter

John Vanderslice

Josh Caterer (The Smoking Popes)

Julia Nunes

Justin Kinkel-Schuster

Kevin Devine

Lady Lamb

Laura Gibson

Laura Jane Grace

Laura Veirs

Lauren Ruth Ward

Lenore

Maria Taylor (Azure Ray)

Marie / Lepanto

Mark Eitzel (American Music Club)

Matt Talbott (HUM)

Mike Doughty (Soul Coughing)

Mirah

The Mynabirds

Nataly Dawn

Nora O’Connor

Oceanator

Peter Silberman (The Antlers)

Pedro the Lion

Richard Buckner

Rocky Votolato

S. Carey

Samantha Crain

Sarah Borges

Say Hi

Scott McCaughey (R.E.M., Young Fresh Fellows)

Sera Cahoone

Shelby Earl

Spencer Thomas

Steve Dawson

Sydney Sprague

Thalia Zedek

Tim Kasher (Cursive)

TORRES

Up Around the Sun

Vandaveer

Walter Martin (The Walkmen)

Warren Dunes

Will Johnson (Centro-matic, South San Gabriel)

Wussy

Both Jayne and Bob are very cognizant of the myriad changes happening within the music industry. Music is something close to free while concert ticket prices have soared astronomically in recent years. At Undertow, they’re working incredibly hard to create the best possible environment for each and every show. They have developed a network of reliable hosts across the country, and with each show are spreading the gospel of the house concert.

These shows are not just terrific experiences for audiences, they are also a great deal for the artists as well. House concerts help to cut out the middle man costs that exist at most established venues. This means that an artist can keep the vast majority of what they make without the venue taking a big cut on ticket and merchandise sales. For many middle class artists, that means a night playing to just 40 or 50 people can still pay the bills, all without charging ridiculously high ticket prices.

During our conversation Jayne and Bob share some of the frightening economic realities for artists not at the top of the pile. We discuss what a golden age it is right now for house shows and alternative venues. And, we talk about the ever expanding definition of what it means to host a “house concert”. We also cover the unexpected community that has popped up around Undertow, and we even rail a bit against Ticketmaster and Live Nation. This one does include a little inside baseball on the music industry, but it’s a crucial conversation for anyone that loves live music.

So, here now are Jayne Ballantyne and Bob Andrews from Undertow Shows. Let’s get into it.

Cheers,
Matty C

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